"Go away and learn how to think." The high horse of Atheism.

Are you kidding me?

"Date rape is bad. Stranger rape at knifepoint is worse. If you think that's an endorsement of date rape, go away and learn how to think."

"Mild pedophilia is bad. Violent pedophilia is worse. If you think that's an endorsement of mild pedophilia, go away and learn how to think."

"Mild date rape is bad. Violent date rape is worse."

Dawkins might as well say "I'm a genius and an atheist, your emotions are irrelevant." 

Regardless of point being made, Rape and pedophilia do not have 'degrees'. One touch is enough to severely alter someone's future.

Internet comments sections tend to be the favourite soap box of Atheists who inevitably suffer the same intellectual arrogance as the religious fanatics they so enthusiastically persecute.

An open mind is a wonderful thing. It seeks possibility, it desires revelation, it tests all and upholds the good. Whether religion or science, the open mind has one objective: to find answers.

The closed mind is fanatical. It is so obsessed with its own perception that any conflicting belief system becomes the enemy. Bitterness seeps and drips from the soul, evil starts to have 'degrees', insensitivity to how others feel becomes justified and in essence, humanity is slowly replaced with a robotic contempt for all opposing ideas.

Christian fanatics, Muslim fanatics, Jewish fanatics, Atheist fanatics - there is no difference, the loss of humanity is the same. When your belief system becomes more important than humanity itself, you have lost your way.

Love, peace, joy, acceptance, security <-- That's the stuff that makes us tick and the only stuff that will create a future worth living in. Only tyrants and fools refuse to acknowledge human emotional needs. We are emotional beings - without those pesky feelings we might as well be robots.

You can sing the praises of scientists, biologists, doctors and mechanics all you like but if the future they are creating is not focused on a safe, emotionally secure environment for our kids then what the heck is the point?

If the objective is not happiness then what is the point?

I have no desire for an advanced technological society if it has no humanity.


Alex Bax 2014-07-31 04:56:16 PM
Atheists are often accused of over stating their point and running down the religious,the catalyst is often the constant bombardment and public display of religious intent that often frustrates, I get up to 5 biblical quotes on my FB every week from friends, publicly having to all hold hands with my friends and pray in restaurants. I believe that the bantering is really on the other foot.
GMitch 2014-07-31 07:28:09 PM
"Go away and learn how to think." The high horse of Christianity. The heading should have been this for this simple fact that Christians outnumber atheists 10 to 1, and so you would be dealing with the majority of the problem.
Lojik Alfinkre 2014-07-31 11:16:23 PM
Jeeves You said: "One touch is enough to severely alter someone's future." Will different touches alter someone's future equally?
RuudAwakener 2014-08-01 07:18:08 AM
But that's exactly the point Dawkins was making - that to compare degrees of "badness" is irrelevant. I suggest you read one of the source articles on the subject to get the context.
Susan Venter 2014-08-01 09:39:26 AM
Great article! My sentiments exactly. I've never heard somebody say : "I was raped, but I'm just so SO glad and thankful that it wasn't violent". Or "My child was molested, but at least it wasn't violent". What he said might be true to somebody who hasn't suffered the unthinkable act of rape or molestation, but to a victim... He's just looking t stir the pot, nothing more.
Atheos Fititis 2014-08-01 09:49:22 AM
Jeeves, I usually enjoy your writing but I'm afraid that you have been lazy this time. Please at least take the time to look at the context of the tweets you quote before pulling the emotional trigger, and worse, somehow equating atheist thinking with rape endorsement. Nothing could be further from the facts of this incident. Please take the time to read what Dawkins actually has to say: richarddawkins.net/2014/07/are-there-emotional-no-go-areas-where-logic-dare-not-show-its-face/ His approach and the points he was trying to make have everything to do with the discussion of logic and reason and nothing to do with atheism. You don't have to agree with me or him, but first read his article for yourself and then draw your own conclusions, and feel free to attack the points he raises as enthusiastically as you want. All I would suggest is that you don't get caught up in sound-bite debates.
CharlieC 2014-08-01 09:50:29 AM
“Rape and pedophilia do not have 'degrees'” So according to you someone who is gang raped, eviscerated and left for dead is the same as date rape. Please note I’m not condoning date rape in any shape or form.
Atheos Fititis 2014-08-01 10:03:39 AM
Sorry Jeeves, one more thing: "Love, peace, joy, acceptance, security <-- That's the stuff that makes us tick and the only stuff that will create a future worth living in." Beautifully said. But how do you define any of the above? What is love? Is it the love that you may have for your fellow human beings or is it the love that a young Muslim man has for his god when he straps on a bomb and walks into a crowded market? Peace and security? For Hamas that is the destruction of Israel. For some Christian fundamentalists that might be the eradication of Islam. For me it means the safety and happiness if my family. who defines it and what is the context. And of course....what is the degree of love or safety or acceptance that makes a good life? Are there degrees? Do you have to sacrifice some of your happiness so that I can have mine? If so, how much is acceptable? These are the types of questions that the likes of Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins and many others try to grapple with. There must be conversations about what constitutes morality, and degrees of morality and the context of 'good' and 'bad'. There have to be logical and reasonable arguments about meaning, and for these arguments to have any merit, they have to be about the difficult subjects like rape and murder and genocide and religion - otherwise you're not actually grappling with things, you're just hoping for an endless hippie summer.
Atheos Fititis 2014-08-01 11:31:10 AM
In fact it is religion that deals with moral absolutes. Reason and logic must by its nature deal with the grey areas of morality and degrees of good and bad. For example: According to Judeo-Christian writings, it is a sin and morally wrong to even think about adultery. From the perspective of reason and logic however, we need to consider degrees. Is it ok to think it but not act on it? Is a bit of harmless flirting ok? How about some mild petting? How about heavy petting? Where does adultery morally begin? These questions need to be explored. We can't just say "be faithful to your partner" and think that that covers it. Morality and our reaction to morally 'right' or 'wrong' actions cannot be absolute and so must be explored and discussed in terms of degrees of damage and severity. It is exactly this that separates logic and reason from religious absolutism. Ideological and emotional absolutism is just as dangerous. The same rigor and attention must be applied to all the difficult subjects, including rape, so that we are sure that we develop a just and fair society.
still faithless 2014-08-01 03:46:48 PM
@ Jeeves, ejac & evac much?