God's Existence

One of the problems most atheists have with theists is theists’ inability to prove beyond doubt, through evidence or reason, that there in fact is an Almighty God. Most atheists then assume that theists must of necessity be of substandard intelligence since they believe in something they cannot prove.

 I will attempt to show that believing in God and proving He exists are two separate endeavours that should never be allowed to be conflated into one. A simple example should do this.

I work in a utility management company. I’m the company’s Data Analyst and as such I have access to most (if not all) the company’s financial data. I understand the company’s business model and I know where, when and how the company receives the money it uses to pay me each month. Each day a cleaning lady comes and collects the rubbish in my bin. She doesn't understand the company’s business model and has little idea of how, when and where the company’s money comes from. Interestingly however, her lack of knowledge doesn't make her any less likely to be paid at the end of each month than I am. The little knowledge she has (that this is a business, that it makes money and that if she does her work she will be paid at the end of each month) is all she needs in order for the system to work. The rest she simply leaves to faith – she may one day understand it but it will have no bearing on her likelihood to get paid at the end of the month.

This has been my approach to the question of God’s existence. Before I went too far it became important for me to know, to my satisfaction, whether or not there actually was a God in the first place. There was no point in me trying to figure out why God did this or that or what kind of person He is if, for all I knew, He didn't even exist. From there I sought His direction as to where I can learn about Him. Through His Holy Spirit I was enlightened about His nature as I read the Bible and other scriptures and also as I walked the journey of life (being a worker, a friend, a brother, a husband and father).

One more example will solidify the point I’m trying to make. Twelve years ago I sat at a bus station reading the Book of Mormon (considered scripture in my Church). It was a Saturday and I was waiting for a bus to take me school where a school-bus would then take me to the venue of our rugby match.

 While sitting there I realised that the bus was late according to the time table. As I had no other alternative way to get to school I had no choice but to wait until the bus came, whenever that would be! The bus finally did arrive and I stopped reading the book. Midway through my journey I heard a voice (yes A Voice!) and when I listened intently I could clearly hear it say: Get off the bus and go to the other side. I understood that by the other side it meant the other side of the road. But I was still far from school and attempting to walk there would only serve to make a bad situation worse. So I refused to obey. I felt a strong feeling that I should listen but I was stubborn and afraid. The bus stopped and someone got off. I knew that if I was ever going to get off it would have to be then but still I was held back by my fear and uncertainty. The bus started again and as it approached the top of a slight incline, over the hill came the school bus and it passed us. If only I had listened to the Voice instead of my fears and doubts. I would have gotten off the bus and gone to the other side; I would have been able to stop the school-bus.


Do not let the doubts over the when, where, and how prevent you from the blessings of knowing the most important truth: that there is an Almighty God who loves you and wants to help you reach your potential, if only you will let Him.
Jimbo Slim 2014-08-26 10:58:00 AM
That "voice" you heard in the bus was your own common sense, dear.
Simon Berry 2014-08-26 11:00:12 AM
bwahahahaha!
RuudAwakener 2014-08-26 11:04:47 AM
"One of the problems most atheists have with theists is theists’ inability to prove beyond doubt, through evidence or reason, that there in fact is an Almighty God". Ummm, no... the "problem" atheists have is that you are unable to prove the existence of said god at all. You are able to provide some lines of thought that might suggest it, but "prove"? - I don't think so.
RabbleRouser 2014-08-26 11:06:25 AM
You give an example regarding your knowledge compared to the cleaning lady. And then you try to conflate that into invoking your lack of understanding with regard to the existence of God. But how does that provide evidence that God exists? All you have done is made an anecdotal conclusion. It does not prove anything. Your faith is nothing more than accepting something without any evidence.
Johnny B Goode 2014-08-26 11:11:30 AM
If god takes time off from ignoring the plight of hundreds of thousands of africans in need, just so that you can get on the right bus, then your job as data capturer at that company must be very important indeed. Keep up the good work hahahaha!
John Greystoke 2014-08-26 11:14:30 AM
I did not read this article, did I miss anything? When I saw the heading I thought that this must be another load of BS! But I do like to make derogatory comments!
DamnTheMan 2014-08-26 11:26:57 AM
" I will attempt to show that believing in God and proving He exists are two separate endeavours that should never be allowed to be conflated into one. A simple example should do this" Fail... Idjits will never see, the logically fallacy...
RuudAwakener 2014-08-26 11:28:07 AM
"If only I had listened to the Voice instead of my fears and doubts... I would have been able to stop the school-bus." Oh right - so the bible is true then? You're probably not aware of this, but a psychologist called Julian Jaynes postulated that the human mind works in two halves and sometimes the half that processes sound interprets messages from the other half as actual voices. Many people experience this - I've been woken up occasionally having "really and truly" heard my name being called, and this phenomenon explains it nicely. Combine it with a little common sense based on your previous experience of the school bus route and you have a perfectly reasonable explanation of what happened to you.
CharlieC 2014-08-26 11:33:41 AM
“Most atheists then assume that theists must of necessity be of substandard intelligence since they believe in something they cannot prove.” I would not say substandard intelligence but rather mistaken in their beliefs. That does not mean that sometimes you don’t get some with substandard intelligence. “I will attempt to show that believing in God and proving He exists are two separate endeavours that should never be allowed to be conflated into one” You used your work example to show how this could be so. The problem here is that the cleaning lady, while not having intimate knowledge about the business, does have evidence that the business does exist and that she does get paid. If she get evidence to the contrary, like not getting paid, she will no longer work there. “Before I went too far it became important for me to know, to my satisfaction, whether or not there actually was a God in the first place.” So basically you wanted evidence for this god. So how can you now say, “believing in God and proving He exists are two separate endeavours that should never be allowed to be conflated into one,” when someone had to prove, to your satisfaction, that god exists before you started to believe?
Jimbo Slim 2014-08-26 11:39:27 AM
All theists have so far managed to bring to the table is ideas that losely suggests evidence for a deist creator and NOTHING that points to their particular flavor of god.