I remember my atheist friend

I had a friend. He said he had now changed into an atheist. I asked him why he had become an atheist when there is overwhelming evidence in the systems of life which we cannot explain fully. “Creation itself testifies that God is there somewhere”, I had said. His answer was because there is no scientific evidence that the spiritual realm exists. He went on to explain a lot of things but all could just be summarised in the one statement above.

 After some thought, I was taught not to be hasty in answering, I said to him: “So, anything that does not have scientific evidence to prove their existence, do not exist?” He responded, without much thinking, “Yes, how can you say that something exists without proffering scientific evidence that it exists?”, but with a sense of satisfaction with the answer he had given me.

Don’t worry; it will not go to that “professor and kid” story. We had studied some science subject at university. So, I reminded him; “Do you still remember what scientific evidence is?” He just stared at me. I continued; “Scientific evidence is evidence which serves to either support or counter a scientific theory or hypothesis. Such evidence is expected to be empirical evidence and in accordance with scientific methods”.

 We had some discussion around that statement, in relation to the subject we had, remember it was about atheism, until an uneasy calm followed for about 10 minutes. He then said; “Mbango, we cannot be friends anymore; you always want to convince me to follow your ways. I am not you stooge. Bye bye!” So, I lost a childhood friend and colleague because I had shown him the fallacy of the atheist’s scientific proof argument which had been used to recruit him.

Firstly, it doesn't make sense to say that something that another person says exists does not exist.  If you want to argue that it does not exist, then the burden of proof is upon you.  That is exactly what scientific evidence prescribes that you do. Science does not say that something you cannot prove its existence does not exist. No, that is not science. Science is smarter than many atheists, who although they claim to use it in their arguments, do not know anything about what it is.

Just imagine what the people of today’s atheist persuasion would have done if someone had said in the 15th century that there is something called electromagnetic spectrum, for example. They would have formed an association to tell everyone that we are being lied to. No. But, good scientists never did that, rather they kept exploring until a breakthrough came in the 18th century.

Don’t you think that the fact that you get no cell phone signal where you are does not mean that the waves are not there. Don’t argue and say there is no Vodacom waves. You just need to check if your cell phone is not dead or there is a sim card in the phone. Get a working cell phone with a full battery and a simcard and, boom!!, the whole world is at your disposal. Even if it did not work, it would not be scientic proof that the waves are not there.

You can argue as much as you want that there is no electric current in a wire because you have tested using a wrong instrument. Why not ask those who say there is electric current and they will show you an ammeter before you try to prove it by touching the live wire?

 Just a word of wisdom to my atheist brothers and sisters out there; Re-visit what scientific evidence is or conjure another argument. The current one is busted. God loves you more!

 Mbango Sithole

Johan Krause 2014-08-23 01:43:07 PM
Mbango, this sounds like music in my ears! Sorry you lost a friend in this type of circumstances! Yes it is for each individual to accept the WORD, it's a personal act between you and the LORD! You can lead the horse to the water... the rest is up to the horse!
Franco 2014-08-23 01:43:35 PM
"If you want to argue that it does not exist, then the burden of proof is upon you." . OK Mbango, I have a document that says that you owe me R1 million. If you don't pay me by noon tomorrow, I will take legal action against you. And the burden of proof is on you to present evidence that the said document does not exist.
Seek Anfind 2014-08-23 01:47:30 PM
wrong wrong wrong.. you theist hick!! science does not try and disprove a negative! ! clearly you did not pay much attention in varsity because anyone who has made it past first year knows this!! according to your useless interpretation you now bring EVERYTHING that can be imagined into existance. easter bunny.. santa .. fairies. . goblins.. elves.. witches.. werewolves. . boogie men.. the flying spaghetti monster. can you disprove any of those? Therefore they must all be real as we seek the proof that they exist! I bet your friend left you because he got tired of you idiotic statements!
Bear Daar 2014-08-23 01:55:50 PM
"Firstly, it doesn't make sense to say that something that another person says exists does not exist. If you want to argue that it does not exist, then the burden of proof is upon you. " THIS IS SO WRONG IT ISN'T EVEN FUNNY! READ: YOU CANNNOT PROVE A NEGATIVE!!!! IE: You CANNOT prove something DOES NOT exist, you can however prove something DOES exist. The ball is in your court.
Thomas Freeman 2014-08-23 01:59:39 PM
Author, Its simple, if your beliefs are not consistent with established human knowledge (scientific), then they probably are not justified. In that case, other people are not justified in believing what you say about them, and furthermore you have no reason to expect anyone to believe you. We are in the Jesus who? Era, Allah who? Era, Ancestors who? Era.
NotSoMysteriousBrony 2014-08-23 02:04:03 PM
You lost me at the whole burden of proof thing. Are you SURE you're a science student? You weren't under the personal tutelage of Ken Ham by any chance were you?
Franco 2014-08-23 02:05:33 PM
There is no such thing as the claim that something does not exist. There can only be a rejection of a claim that it does exist. The argument starts with a claim, not with a rejection, and a claim made without evidence can be rejected without evidence.
Reality 2014-08-23 02:15:59 PM
> Firstly, it doesn't make sense to say that something that another person says exists does not exist. So that means aliens exist? So that means all other gods exist? So that mean the Thokoloshe exists?
Belatu 2014-08-23 02:26:06 PM
If your religion is so important to you why do you ignore what it teaches and not practice it? Mathew 6:6 "But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you." James 1:26 "If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man's religion is worthless." Your bible repeatedly talks about not forcing your religion onto others, even Paul preached only to those who came looking for Christ/God and never preached to convert and did not as is widely but mistakenly believed preach door to door. Your religion is yours, not everyone's, Christianity accounts for less than 30% of the worlds followers of religion, with the majority of the worlds religious being non-christian. so please get over yourself, enjoy your religion and practice it to your hearts content, but stop trying to shove it down everyone else's throat.
Rools 2014-08-23 02:31:28 PM
MSithole, if you are talking about the god(s) of the Bible and Quran we know they are only myths. Science don't support the claim that came into existence by magic from nothing. We know original sin is not the cause of death or bad behaviour in this world. The universe is amoral. The universe has no moral values. Moral values is a human invention. Some people are cannibals. They eat other humans. Because the majority of people reject eating other humans as immoral you won't be able to tell a cannibal it is immoral to eat other humans. I enjoy it to gamble and to bet on horses and play the lotto. Lots of people think gambling or playing lotto is immoral and they won't gamble or play lotto. This is the problem with religion or the so called God believers. They think it is a sin to gamble and it is the worse thing you can do in the eyes of their God. The universe is amoral and this means God must be amoral to if God exists. The universe don't care about morals. The same with God. God don't care about a little baby being raped. He doesn't get involved to protect the baby. Every argument you put forward for a God with love and moral values can be dismissed. I fully understand why your friend broke up your friendship. You still blame him that he is ignorant and forget your God only lives in your imagination.