Ramaphosa's 2nd day at Marikana hearings - as it happened

And that's where we close updates. Ramaphosa's time at the hearings is up but he might be called back to testify again.

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The injured rock drill operator used the gallery mic to tell CR he's lying: You wanted to be as rich as your brother in law (Patrice Motsepe), he said.

And with that Farlam excuses CR. And as CR says thanks, he's interrupted by a mineworker who was injured during the violence of August 2012.He was one of the operators who was interviewed in Miners Shot Down.

The man now uses a cane to help him walk.

When I spoke of "dastardly criminal acts" I was speaking about murders and attacks on people in Marikana. When people were burnt in their vehicles and had body parts cut out. - CR

I wasn't referring to the illegal strike, he says.

CR explains: When I saw reports of people dying in this brutal way, says CR, I took it upon myself to call Mthethwa and said people are getting killed and it behoves on police to intervene in a way that prevents further loss of life.

He continues: I said what would be helpful would be to arrest those responsible for killings and attacks. I implored on Shabangu to prevent further loss of life and further injuries.

CR sits calmly as hecklers walk out.

I don't agree with proposition that Mpofu has put forward - CR

Mpofu tries to speak but Farlam tells him his time is up. He says he has one proposition.

Mpofu: The man sitting next to me lost his big toe in the 16 August incident. He believes that because of your current position that you and those others should be charged criminally in the international criminal court.

CR says calmly: I don't agree with that proposition.

Mpofu: We're going to ask that CR be charged with murder along with others including those who pulled the trigger. That whole chain is responsible for those deaths.

CR: Clearly you've taken lots of time building this proposition. I deeply regret the deaths of all those who died.

Hecklers stop CR again with "he killed them! He's a sell-out this man!". Heckler grabs his goods and walks out of the auditorium while shouting "murderer! People are hungry, you can't even give them food!" 

Farlam orders Mpofu to wait for hecklers to leave.

Mpofu: Placing political pressure on police minister to lean on police operational people would be illegal?

CR: Yes.

Mpofu says it's a well-known fact that once police killings happen that the police react in full force to avenge their murdered colleagues.

CR: I know when cops are killed, police get extremely concerned abuot it.

Mpofu: Knowing that, one doesn't need to be a genius to predict that police would have reeacted and ended up killing 34 people?

CR: I didn't foresee all this.

Mpofu: You should have. We'll argue that.

Mpofu: Because of your pressure more deaths could've resulted, surely that's dispensable. CR: I agree.

And with that, a 15 minute adjournment.

Mpofu: Can you see that Mr Mokoena identifies the source of the alleged pressure?

CR: He mentioned my name...

Mpofu:Police killed 34 people at your instigation.

CR: I wouldn't agree that it was at my instigation. Vehemently deny that

Mpofu: Unless you (CR) meant it literally that they (police) must point guns at people.

CR: No, I explained this.

You can't fly to Cape Town to get the police to arrest criminals in Marikana - Mpofu. Farlam stops him and says CR already explained why he went to Cape Town.

I ask questions you answer them, you don't make snide remarks, otherwise you will get 10 times what you give, says Mpofu.

Farlam tells him not to make threats.

Mpofu: It's not a threat, it's a promise.

Mpofu: Is that seriously  your evidence that any citizen can fly to Cape Town, meet minister and she undertakes to take it to the president?

As CR explains, an angry Mpofu interjects "don't start with me, Mr Ramaphosa".

Mpofu says a Lonmin exec couldn't have spoken to the minister because CR had political influence.

CR: I just had access to her (Shabangu).

Mpofu says it's an over-achievement on the part of Ramaphosa to sway Shabangu on the Marikana issue in a matter of hours.

CR says he wouldn't call it that.