As it happened: Noakes hearing postponed to November
Chair: If I don’t receive anything by that day, I assume there will be no applications. I would also suggest that in my report back to council, that notice be given timeously to all parties to the appointment of that member so you have time to prepare.
Officially adjourned until November 23.
After much back and forth between the parties, involving serious swishes of diary pages and cellphone calendars, they have agreed on dates on which they are all available.
Chair: We have dates: 23rd November- 1st December 2015, same venue unless HPCSA gives notice of another venue. Is the onus on me to request the coordinator that we need an additional member? I don’t want to go any further than conveying. Are you both happy with that? I am not otherwise suggesting names.
Both parties happy.
Chair asks prosecutor whether he wants to respond to the committee not being properly constituted. Mapholisa replies that he stands by his previous submission that the committee is properly constituted.
“Perhaps to alleviate the fears of the respondent, the ruling that has been made to say that an additional member that is registered in the same profession as the respondent… that I fully support.”
Chair asks him how long he thinks it would take to appoint the additional member?
Prosecutor says: Given the availability of technology, this can be done overnight if my learned friend is amenable or willing to accept the proposal. There are already allegations against the pro forma complainant. I will not go into those.
Prosecutor: I would be willing to waive the seven day requirement for the appointment. I would suggest that we stand the matter down so the respondent can go back to the drawing board. Then we come back tomorrow and get a ruling so we know where we are going.
Prosecutor: “Once this committee has taken a decision, that decision is binding to both parties. I suppose that my learned friend knows exactly what options he has when he is aggrieved by a ruling or a decision that was taken by the honourable committee. My learned friend has only got one option to follow, which he has amongst others, mentioned to say that they may consider taking this matter on appeal.
"If my learned friend feels that he has take proper instructions, he could ask the honourable committee to stand down this matter until tomorrow so at least from now on until tomorrow at 10:00... then he has clear instructions as to what options he wishes to follow.
"If we postpone this matter, for instance, to August this year, for the respondent to re-consider his position regarding whether he wants to take this matter on review, then that would be a completely futile exercise since that decision can be taken now…”
He mentions this because he's not available according, his diary shows, for the next few months until August. It would definitely be a futile exercise if we postpone to that period.
Committee is waiting patiently for Noakes and his team to come back into the room. Prosecutor Mapholisa is also absent, says News24's Jenna Etheridge.
On a side note, she writes, the snacks presented outside the conference room during tea time included pastries, brownies and sandwiches, followed up with fried savoury eats.
The full lunch presented to the parties in the dining room included a variety of foods, including vegetables and salad items...
The chair suggests an adjournment until tomorrow morning for this purpose. She asks how the parties feel about this.
Prosecutor Mapholisa: All pro forma complainant’s witnesses are present and ready to proceed. I am quite ready if any additional member can be appointed into the current honourable professional conduct committee so we can proceed.
Van der Nest responds by saying he needs to consider the decision. Asks for five to 10 minutes adjournment to consider their position.
Joan Adams: "We have one member of the board. This committee has no powers to deviate from Act and regulations.
"There can’t be any condoning. During the adjournment, of course and as requested… I have been informed in front of all other committee members that Dr Salujee is in fact registered with medical and dental professions board.
"He has also shown me his HPCSA card and it says his speciality is paediatrician.
"Be that as it may there is no reason, there is no suggestion that he does not comply with a regulation. There is a problem in the sense that there is not a third person on this committee registered with the medical and dental professions board and in the same discipline as the respondent.
"We are lacking in one committee member. In terms of the Act and regulations, the responsibility rests solely on the chairperson of the medical and dental professions board. While we had the adjournment, and considering the history of this matter… I took the liberty of asking any committee members if there was anything we should declare or anything which should be aired in light of fairness, justice and transparency.
"I would like to place the following on record: Prof Blaauw has indicated absolute objectivity. In 2014, she was co-supervisor for student enrolled in diploma of advanced ethicsc, which entailed that she used the media implications of Tim Noakes as a case study.
In terms of law, we are not properly constituted. At this stage, we cannot proceed. We postpone for those purposes. I doubt very much whether this paperwork and red tape will be complied with this afternoon."
News24 user William Potgieter writes: "I started banting in February 2014. I lost all my excess weight, and could (with the help of my doctor) go off all the medication I was on.
"I believe the dietitians know that Tim Noaks is right, but they don't want to admit they were wrong for the last 30 years."
One user, Jessica, suggests some caution with banting: " I think the diet has place and is suitable for certain people i.e. low cholesterol, etc, but I think before anyone does the diet they should get their cholesterol checked.
"I think that people who want to change the South African dietary guidelines need to take into consideration that more than half the people in SA can only afford simple carbs [such as] maize and bread because those are the staple foods and not everyone can afford to buy so much meat.
think that this diet is a fad because not many people are reading the facts
about the diet they are seeing that 'oh she lost 10kg on the banting diet, let
me try it' and not actually understanding it before they do it."
How will the 'Tim Noakes' diet affect your immunity?
According to Cape Town-based dietician Kim Hofmann, there are some benefits to be found in low-carbohydrate eating; as long as it’s low-carb and not no-carb.
“Carbohydrates are your unit of immediate 'energy food'. They control blood sugar levels and keep them stable, which is an important part of health.
"We (dietitians in SA) have always recommended a controlled carbohydrate intake with a limited intake of simple, low fibre, sugar carbohydrates. South Africans in general do follow a diet too high in carbohydrates, but cutting out complex, high fibre, healthier carbohydrates is not the best for your health,” she explains.Read the full Health24 article here
News24 user, Henni says: " I started Banting in January 2014 – at the time I weighed in the region of 190kg. I am currently down to 105kg. That is 85kg in 16 months.
"I run 10km every day, not because I feel that I have to, but because I have so much energy that I CANNOT sit still anymore.
changed my life completely. It is absurd that Noakes is being vilified. He has
given me and many like me a new lease on life."
“We can ask you for a decision on how you consider your own composition as a committee and may we ask you for a factual point of view, ask members of the committee what they are registered as.”
Chair says: I never know beforehand or decide who to appoint. Don’t know how anyone is registered.
Van der Nest: We are definitely not suggesting that you should know.
Chair: “We are going to adjourn and going in camera. No recording, no bugs please (laughter). We are going to need some time. Suggest we adjourn again at 14:00.”