21 Nov 2018
Fuzile says "it became clear" to him that Van Rooyen didn't know much about the advisors he was given by the Guptas following his appointment.
21 Nov 2018
Fuzile displayed some uncomfortability uttering the exact word used by Godongwana to describe the advisors. Maleka tells Fuzile that the chair is in need of the truth and not softened version of the truth.
21 Nov 2018
Godongwana told Fuzile the replacement advisors would be "of Indian descent".
21 Nov 2018
Godongwana did not disclose who the advisors who would be coming in with Van Rooyen, he aslo did not follow up with Van Rooyen on this.
21 Nov 2018
Fuzile says when Jonas was offered the position of finance minister along with a “huge sum of money” he was also requested by the Guptas to remove four senior officials at Treasury, whow ould then be replaced by candidated of their choice.
21 Nov 2018
Godongwana told him that "a Gupta minister will arrive with advisers given to him by the Guptas". Says this was connected to something Jonas had told him about the Guptas. The Guptas told Jonas he would be given advisors, Fuzile says.
21 Nov 2018
Lungisa Fuzile, former Treasury DG, says it hit him "like a rock between the eyes" when he met Des van Rooyen's advisors...he knew there was a plan involving the Guptas.
21 Nov 2018
Maleka says what Godongwana has conveyed to Fuzile is a serious violation of the Constitution.
21 Nov 2018
Fuzile says he was overwhelmed by the call, once he met with one of Van Rooyen's adviser's it became clear that something was happening, and the words of Godongwana made sense to him.
21 Nov 2018
Fuzile: You start the week with trying to make the budget for the country. There is an annoucement that fees for higher education were going to be frozen for a year.
He says he didn't know about this but he was the DG.
21 Nov 2018
Fuzile says when he was told that he was going to get a Gupta minister, he started to borrow from his former boss' phrase "connect the dots". He says it immeditely struck him that there was something in what Gordhan was saying.
21 Nov 2018
Fuzile confirms that he received a call from Enoch Godongwana (the night Nene was removed) who said to him, "you are now going to get a Gupta minister who will arrive with his advisors".
21 Nov 2018
Nene said Fuzile and others should continue to do good work at Treasury.
21 Nov 2018
Fuzile says he was not given any warning that Nene would be dismissed in December 2015.
After learning about Nene's dismissal, he visited Nene at his home. The first thing Nene told him was "I don't have a job."
21 Nov 2018
The commission resumes.
21 Nov 2018
Commission adjourns for short break.
21 Nov 2018
Fuzile tells commission that he wasn't surprised when Nene said this. Nene was fired in Dec 9, 2015 and replaced by Des van Rooyen.
21 Nov 2018
Fuzile confirms receiving message from Nene on the day of his removal saying 'the axe has fallen'.
Understood it to mean that he has been fired.
Fuzile added the prediction in the media about a Cabinet reshuffle and the replacement of Nene.
21 Nov 2018
Asked about Cabinet meeting about removal of Nene.
Confirms sharing a fond relationship with Nene.
"I've been lucky, I've had good relationship with most ministers I've worked with."
21 Nov 2018
The 2008 global economic meltdown drove SA into a recession in 2009, says Fuzile.
21 Nov 2018
2007/8 was the last time SA enjoyed a budget surplus, says Fuzile.
21 Nov 2018
Although SA's budgeting process is one of the most transparent and advanced processes in the world, it becomes a difficult task.
Budgeting is giving up on something, that is when the difficulty arises. It's an inconvenient part.
Uses free higher education as an example.
It becomes a case of "I wish I could give you this thing, but our country cannot afford it".
21 Nov 2018
Maleka says Treasury DG Dondo Mogajane will testify tomorrow.
21 Nov 2018
Fuzile says the organisation’s preparation of the budget for the country is one of the most important jobs at Treasury.
Asked to explain in ordinary terms what is a budget:
A budget is an expression in numbers of the aspirations and wishes of a nation, he says. An allocation of resources after promises are made.
21 Nov 2018
Fuzile says he left Treasury in March 2017 upon his return from a London roadshow after hearing "Gordhan's time was up". He decided to step down as well, he tells the commission.
21 Nov 2018
Fuzile explains the role of DG:
DG is a chief advisor to minister and deputy. The DG doesn't make policy, but is a key advisor, he says. A minister makes policy, but does not has to do the technical wack, that would then become the job of DG
21 Nov 2018
He was asked to stay on upon Gordhan's return. Fuzile was appointed Director General in 2011 under minister Gordhan and Nene as deputy.
21 Nov 2018
Says he was reluctant to take the job, initially.
"I yielded, took the job. Five years on my contract was close to expiring (May 2016).
When Mr Gordhan returned to Treasury he said 'My returning to Treasury has implications for your career plans'. I knew what that meant," he tells the commission.
21 Nov 2018
Fuzile says he left National Treasury in May 2017 - he had been there for 19 years. Maleka asks him to tell the commission why he left.
21 Nov 2018
Says he studied commerce, majored in Economics and Industrial Psychology. Obtained his Masters degree in Economics and completed various short courses.
21 Nov 2018
Fuzile provides background information about his academic history to the commission, says he considers himself qualified in farming.
21 Nov 2018
Maleka explains procedure to Fuzile, says he is allowed to refer back to statement for emphasis.
21 Nov 2018
Fuzile confirms signing the statement dated November 16, 2018. Confirms statement is correct to his knowledge and belief.
21 Nov 2018
Now dealing with Fuzile's statement. Reference will be made to whistleblower information provided.
Fuzile will be asked whether this information was known to Treasury, and what was done with this information.
21 Nov 2018
Three national treasury witnesses will testify this week, says Maleka.
21 Nov 2018
Pretorius tells Zondo that (former Treasury DG Lungisa) Fuzile will be testifying after the lunch break, led by Advocate Maleka, and Zondo calls for the adjournment.
21 Nov 2018
Pretorius informs Zondo that the legal teams of Tom Moyane and Shaun Abrahams are present at the commission today.
Moyane's legal representative tells Zondo they will be seeking an application to cross-examine Gordhan.
21 Nov 2018
Zondo thanks Gordhan once again, reminds him that he may be summoned or requested to appear before the commission again, and excuses him.
Advocate Paul Pretorius now moves on to some legal applications with Zondo.
21 Nov 2018
Gordhan finishes with a flourish, quoting Nelson Mandela and also the famous "No one left to speak for me" quote, to much applause around the commission venue.